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Comment on “Proposed central limit behavior in deterministic dynamical systems”∗Ugur TirnakliDepartment of Physics, Faculty of Science, Ege University, 35100 Izmir, TurkeyConstantino TsallisCentro Brasileiro de Pesquisas F´ısicasand National Institute of Science and Technology for Complex Systems,Rua Dr. Xavier Sigaud 150,22290-180 Rio de Janeiro, RJ, BrazilandSanta Fe Institute, 1399 Hyde Park Road,Santa Fe, NM 87501, USAChristian BeckSchool of Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary, University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK(Dated: June 9, 2009)In a recent Brief Report [Phys. Rev. E79 (2009) 057201], Grassberger re-investigates probabilitydensities of sums of iterates of the logistic map near the critical point and claims that his simulationresults are inconsistent with previous results obtained by us [U. Tirnakli et al., Phys. Rev. E 75(2007)040106(R)andPhysRev. E79(2009)056209]. InthiscommentwepointoutseveralerrorsinGrassberger’s paper. We clarify that Grassberger’s numerical simulations were mainly performed ina parameter region that was explicitly excluded in our 2009 paper and that his number of iterationsis insufficient for the region chosen. We also show that, contrary to what is claimed by the author,(i) L´evy distributions are irrelevant for this problem, and that (ii) the probability distributions ofsums that focus on transients are unlikely to be universal.PACS numbers: 05.20.-y, 05.45.Ac, 05.45.PqIn a recent Brief Report [1], ...
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Comment on “Proposed central limit behavior in deterministic dynamical systems”
∗ Ugur Tirnakli Department of Physics, Faculty of Science, Ege University, 35100 Izmir, Turkey
Constantino Tsallis CentroBrasileirodePesquisasFı´sicas and National Institute of Science and Technology for Complex Systems, Rua Dr.Xavier Sigaud 150, 22290180 Rio de Janeiro, RJ, Brazil and Santa Fe Institute, 1399 Hyde Park Road, Santa Fe, NM 87501, USA
Christian Beck School of Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary, University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK (Dated: June9, 2009) In a recent Brief Report [Phys.Rev. E79(2009) 057201], Grassberger reinvestigates probability densities of sums of iterates of the logistic map near the critical point and claims that his simulation results are inconsistent with previous results obtained by us [U. Tirnakliet al.Rev. E, Phys.75 (2007) 040106(R) and Phys Rev.E79(2009) 056209].In this comment we point out several errors in Grassberger’s paper. We clarify that Grassberger’s numerical simulations were mainly performed in a parameter region that was explicitly excluded in our 2009 paper and that his number of iterations is insufficient for the region chosen.We also show that, contrary to what is claimed by the author, (i)Le´vydistributionsareirrelevantforthisproblem,andthat(ii)theprobabilitydistributionsof sums that focus on transients are unlikely to be universal.
PACS numbers:05.20.y, 05.45.Ac, 05.45.Pq
In a recent Brief Report [1], Grassberger claims that his numerical reinvestigation of the probability density of sums of iterates of the logistic map near to the critical point of period doubling accumulation is inconsistent with our results previously obtained in [2, 3].In [2] we provided for the first time numerical evidence for the possible relevance ofqGaussians for this problem, and in [3] a more detailed investigation was performed with the main result that qGaussians are indeed a good approximation of the numerical data if the parameter distance to the critical point and the number of iterations entering the sum satisfy a scaling condition that was derived in [3].In [1] the author also claimsthata)Le´vydistributionscouldgiveanequallygoodfittothedataasqssaisn)bGuahtigatsyve´Lmscitsit have a better theoretical basis for this problem thanqstatistics c) new types of distributions that he obtains by not neglecting transients could be universal. In this note we point out that the paper [1] is misleading since most of the numerics performed in that paper operates in a parameter region that we explicitly excluded by the scaling condition derived in [3].In the parameter region chosen by Grassberger, his statistics is insufficient in the sense that much larger numbers of iterates would be needed to observeqGaussian distributions.Moreover we show that claims a) and b) are incorrect and that there is no theoretical or numerical basis for claim c). 2 Let us use the same notation as in [1].The object of study are sumsYof iteratesxiof the logistic mapf(x) = 1−ax with parameteraclose to the critical pointac= 1.4011551890920506...The sumof period doubling accumulation. consists ofNiterates. Onestarts from an ensemble of uniform initial conditions and the firstN0iterates are ommitted:
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The question investigated in [1, 2, 3] is what probability distribution is to be expected for the random variableY, since the ordinary Central Limit Theorem (CLT) is not valid close to the critical point due to strong correlations between the iterates. Before discussing the results of [1], we first point out a few formal errors in [1].Ifais slightly above the critical k acthen it is wellknown that the attractor of the logistic map consists ofnIn [1] it is stated (1chaotic bands.= 2
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1/δ line below caption of Fig.3) thatk≈(a−acwhere) ,δThis statement is obviouslyis the Feigenbaum constant. wrong, the correct relation is ln|a−ac| k=−.(2) lnδ There are a few further formal errors in [1].In the caption of Fig.4 in [1] it is said that the figure shows numerical data for the probability density for various values ofNandn. However,the actual data displayed in Fig. 4 seem to correspond to tuples of the form (n, N), i.e., the order ofnandNhas been swapped.Another error is the fact that z the absolute value is missing when the author refers to thezlogistic mapfa,z(x) =a− |x|three lines after eq.(2). Let us now come to the actual content of the paper.In [3] we pointed out that the problem is more complex than the ordinary CLT, since two limits have to be performed simultaneously:a→acandN→ ∞. Simultaneous limits are standard knowledge in mathematics.In [3] we provided arguments that in order to obtainqGaussian limit distributions the simultaneous limita→acandN→ ∞must be performed in such a way that the scaling relation k N∼4 (3) holds. Herekis again given by eq. (2), andδ= 4.6692011...is the Feigenbaum constant.In the notation used by Grassberger in [1] our scaling condition is equivalent to 2 N∼n ,(4) where againnThe abstract of [1] claims numerical inconsistency but thedenotes the number of chaotic bands. paper is misleading since most of the simulations in [1] ignore the above scaling condition (3) or (4) but operate in a different parameter region (called ‘peaked region’ in [3]).For example, for his results presented in Fig. 2 of [1] −18 the author has chosen the distance|a−ac|from the critical pointac, basically fixed byto be of the order 10 k54 16 his numerical precision.For this value our scaling relation givesk= 26.9 and henceN∼4∼2∼1.5∙10 is required to see aqGaussian. Onthe contrary, the author performed his simulation in his Fig. 2 with the iteration numbersN= 256,2048,16384 and 131072, which are clearly insufficient to exhibit aqGaussian. Beingthat close to the critical point, much higher values of iteration numbersNare needed to obtain sufficient statistics to properly confirm or disconfirm our results presented in [3].This is precisely the reason why in [3] we chose larger distances fromacfor which the relevantNvalues are still reachable in a numerical experiment. In Fig. 4 and 5 of [1] the author investigates band splitting points and mainly looks at cases in the parameter space given byn >>Norn <<N, again ignoring our scaling conditionn∼Nbehavior of the density is. Singular observed simply because the scaling condition (4) is violated.Our present Fig. 1 shows how Fig. 4 of [1] would have looked like had the scaling condition been satisfied.In this case one gets smooth curves that are wellapproximated by qthis sense, for example the band splitting point 4096Gaussians. In→2048 investigated in [1], which is the closest 24 to the critical point, would yield the sameqGaussian behavior had the iteration numberNbeen used.= 2 Let us provide a few further comments.In [1] some additional numerical experiments were performed testing the effects of different lengthsN0of omitted transients.The author emphasizes that in his opinion the conditionN0>> N 2 is relevant.We have checked this claim in the relevant parameter region fixed byN∼n. Asan example we have chosen one of the cases given in Fig. 2 of [3] (namely,a= 1.401175 andN= 16384) and tested the effect of discarding transients of lengthN0= 2048,4096,8192,16384,65536. The result is shown in Fig. 2. Apparently all curves fall onto each other, no matter whetherN0< NorN0> N, and are well approximated by aqGaussian. Hence thecondition N0>> Nadvocated in [1] seems to be irrelevant in the scaling region, as long asN0is sufficiently large (in [2, 3]N0 was typically chosen to be 4096). In[1]itisalsostatedthatL´evydistributions,possiblymotivatedbytheLe´vyGnedenkolimittheorem,couldgive equallygoodfits.Totestthisclaim,wetriedtofitourdatabyLe´vydistributionsaswell.Theresultisshown in Fig. 3.The numerical data are well approximated byqstdivy´esLeaerwh,snaissuaGestfi.sributionsgivewor Morespecifically,inaloglogplot,Le´vydistributionswith1< α <2 have an inflexion point which is by no means supported by the logisticmap data.If the parameterαvedysirtotfeh´Lsslightlibutionitneht,desaercniyfithe quality in the middle region is slightly improved but the tails become too pronounced to provide an acceptable fit. Hencetheclaimof[1]thatLe´vydistributionsmightyieldabetterfitisincorrect.Besidesthis,theLe´vyGnedenko limit theorem holds forindependent(or nearly so) random variables with infinite variance, whereas the iterates of the logisticmapneartothecriticalpointhavestrongcorrelations.HencethereisnotheoreticaljustificationtouseL´evy distributions in this problem.The conjecture in [1] that there might be a suitable ordering of the iterates into subsets that are almost independent lacks any theoretical proof or numerical justification. Finally, in Fig. 1 of [1], new types of distributions ofYare shown for the caseN0no transients are omitted,= 0, i.e. and claims are made at the end of the paper that these distributions including all the transients could be universal. As an argument for universality of transients ata=ac, in [1] the work [4] is cited.In [4], however, only transient
FIG. 1:Investigation 2 conditionN∼n.
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behaviour of iterates of the exact Feigenbaum fixed point functiongthe map under considerationis investigated, i.e. in [4] is the exact solutiongof the FeigenbaumCvitanovic equationαg(g(x/α)) =g(xuniversal behavior). However, in our case would mean that different mapsfwith quadratic maximum would generate the same distribution ofY. Since different quadratic maps can have very different transient behavior, it seems highly unlikely that the sumYof all these different transients would converge to a random variable that has a universal distribution, as claimed in [1].For this, one would have to carefully estimate the speed of convergence of the iterates offto the Feigenbaum fixed point functiongunder successive iteration and rescalation, which was not done in [1].Hence there is no theoretical basis for the claim of [1] that the observedtransientdistributions of sums are universal.Neither any numerical evidence of universality is provided in [1]. Summarizing, the numerical experiments of [1] were mainly performed in a different parameter region that was explicitly excluded by our scaling relation derived in [3].In the parameter region chosen by Grassberger the number
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-5 10 0.001 0.010.1 1 10100 2 [y P(0)] FIG. 3:Comparison of best fits obtained by usingqGaussians (q= 1.e´Ldna)3irtsidyvs(ontibu6α= 1.60), both in loglinear (a) and loglog plots (b).
2 Nof iterations is insufficient.In the region fixed by our scaling argumentN∼n,qGaussians indeed provide good fitsofthedata,farbetterthantheLe´vydistributionssuggestedin[1],whichmoreoverdonothaveanytheoretical justification for this problem involving strongly correlated random variables.Transient distributions investigated in [1] are unlikely to be universal. This work has been supported by TUBITAK (Turkish Agency) under the Research Project number 104T148. C.T. acknowledges partial financial support from CNPq and Faperj (Brazilian Agencies).
[1] P. Grassberger, Phys.Rev. E79, 057201 (2009). [2] U. Tirnakli, C. Beck and C. Tsallis, Phys.Rev. E75, 040106 (2007). [3] U. Tirnakli, C. Tsallis and C. Beck, Phys.Rev. E79, 056209 (2009). [4] P. Grassberger and M. Scheunert,J. Stat. Phys.26, 697 (1981)
